Jerome

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Bit of Barry Manilow there. I write the songs. You're with Nick from Nick's Nuggets here until midday, noon or 12. And I have a Jerome in the studio with me. Good morning, Jerome. [00:00:10] Speaker B: Morning. Good to be with you. [00:00:13] Speaker A: Okay, I noticed a very colorful polo top. I gotta say the most colorful polo top I seen a long time with Whiz sticks hockey on it. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Yes, it's. We like color and what we do. And obviously with the Wystics Hockey for Wellbeing charity challenge where it's all about. It's all about color, it's all about belonging, it's all about community, it's all about youth health and well being. So. [00:00:42] Speaker A: Yeah. So what is Wiz Sticks actually? [00:00:45] Speaker B: Wystics hockey? Well, I guess Wystics hockey, or Wystics as it is, is a vehicle for youth engagement or youth health and wellbeing in the community. Really it's just a version of hockey that I looked at the sport of hockey and thought, well, it's a little bit too complicated. There's too many rules that confuse young kids. We need to cut it back, get into something that's a bit more fun, bit more upbeat. The kids can enjoy themselves and experience, engage and experience in and just have some fun. And that's where woodstick soccer came to be. So we have things like, we have three zones on the field. We have creative creativity as part of it. The kids can create and do their own things. All the equipment is modified. It's all plastic gear designed to be in that way a very. An easy game to play. A sort of a pick up and play game. Anyone can play it anywhere. It doesn't require a lot. You don't need a special field. You don't need, you don't need a special field field or anything like that. You don't need a hockey turf. You just can play it anywhere in your street, really. On a court, on a grass, concrete, wherever. And that's the idea behind it and the idea behind a lot of. What are the stuff we do when I go out in the community with Blue sky and what we do is it's easy sports, fusion sports. [00:02:16] Speaker A: And is there a particular market that you aim at? [00:02:20] Speaker B: We do some stuff with the homeschool community. We do a lot with that. [00:02:24] Speaker A: So what's a whole school, home school, home school. [00:02:27] Speaker B: So kids that are not going to school but schooling from home or kids that are. Yeah, basically kids that are not in the school systems, they're homeschooling for various different reasons. And we, we do programs with them. We also do programs with kids from low socioeconomic background, all those sort of things. It's. It's designed to be low barrier, easy to get involved, and really it's also designed to carry a message of that youth, health and wellbeing message, to carry a message of belonging, to give kids a sense of belonging, to give kids a sense of they can just turn up. They don't need uniforms, they don't need anything special. They can just turn up and have a game of sport and talk to each other and have a conversation which is free from judgment. And it's just them having conversations with each other. And while they're having a bit of fun, whether that be, as I say, on a basketball court or on a plot of grass somewhere. [00:03:29] Speaker A: So how do you organize all that? [00:03:32] Speaker B: Well, generally I will book a venue if we can get one, or I'll work with the school, or I'll work with a different group, community group, in one of the country towns that I visit, and we'll just book the venue for a certain period of time. I bring all the gear with me, and we just show up and away we go. There's nothing much more to it than that. [00:03:57] Speaker A: So how many kids get involved in a particular game? [00:04:01] Speaker B: Varies. We've had, we. We've designed the sport so that. And design what we do so that you can have kids as minimal as 5, up to as many as 105, if that is what you get. But we don't get that necessarily. Normally, on average, we get anywhere between 20 and 30 kids coming along, depending on the environment, depending on where we are. A lot of that is in the country. A lot of them are in the country. And really it comes down to that they're just looking for somewhere to go and have fun and relax and don't feel the pressure that the world seems to have on them at the moment with everything going on. It gives them a chance to do that. So that's why they come along and they enjoy it. And that's all it's really about, is just kids enjoying playing some sport and talking to each other and having. Meeting some new people, too. Meeting people that they perhaps hadn't met before. [00:05:04] Speaker A: So how. How do you get the message? I mean, let's take me, for example. I've never heard of whiz sticks or, or blue sky, to be honest with you. And it's, you know, you got to be honest. So if I don't know how to, how will other people know? [00:05:20] Speaker B: Well, we do a lot of our advertising Through Facebook we, we've really as, as, as what we've been doing now, we've really, in terms of the blue stick side of it and the blue sky side of it and Wu sticks, we've really only been doing that now for eight to 12 months. [00:05:35] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Yeah. [00:05:36] Speaker B: In its current form. [00:05:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Prior to that there were some other things that I was doing. Things evolve and they change and that's what has happened here. So what we've been doing now is, is that, so we, we, we promote through Facebook through the usual channels. Word of mouth works really well. Once they hear about us, they tend to come back and they tend to bring others with them. When they do, it depends. Facebook tends to. Social media tends to be the way to go and we're always refining that too because we understand the young people. It's changed now with those sort of changes as well. And believe it or not, old fashioned, producing flyers and putting them up around the place really does still work and we do that as well. That works a treat. Plus we also use contacts and connections. We try to work with community resource centers when we go out the country, work closely with them, work closely with councils, work closely with groups that align with the messages that we're trying to carry out there. Which is all about youth mental health and wellbeing, which is a big part of what this is all about. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Are you finding youth mental health and wellbeing is on the increase? [00:06:56] Speaker B: It's concerning when you hear of, when you hear of 4 year olds, 5 year olds, 6 year olds, 7 year olds turning up at emergency, having self harmed because of bullying because of various things going on in their life. When you see teenagers who in 40 degree heat in the middle of a country town like York still wearing long sleeve shirts and jeans in the middle of summer because they're cutting themselves, it's a worry. And that's why what we're trying to do here is reach out and just listen. My late grandma had a very, very important saying, close your mouth, open your ears and listen. And that's all we do, we listen. And it's very important that everyone listens to young people because if you're not listening you'll miss what they're telling you. And often, particularly if you're like what we do, we come in once or twice. We only see them for a short period of time. They will tell myself or others things with us that they perhaps don't tell their parents. So we've got to be, we're ready for that and we need to Be aware of that. And that's why all the movement makers or coaches that we have involved in the program understand the importance of listening. Listening comes first. And really that's what it's about. It's just giving them a. A place to be listened to and just talk about what's going on in their lives. [00:08:44] Speaker A: If you were saying that, is it a bigger problem in the rural areas? [00:08:52] Speaker B: It seems to be. I'm not saying that's not a problem in the metro area. I'll never say that. We know that it is. And that's all across Australia. I'm involved with an organisation now. We're trying to raise money for Step Into Action and Charlotte's Wish. And we're seeing very much a prevalence of it in rural Western Australia. And that's because majority of the time, services for this particular area focused on what happens after. Instead of prevention, instead of working on treating the problem, they're working on treating symptoms. Yeah, they're not treating the actual problem. And the problem is, is that more and more young people don't feel like they belong because of the fact that they're not being listened to or they're not. They're being ignored. And that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to work on that and treat. And work on treating the problem. And a big part of that too, is that young people, particularly when they start off in life, they're not confident in their own bodies, with their own ability to move, with their own ability to do those sort of things, because they're walking down the street, they're just tripping over without much help. There's nothing there, they just trip over. So they're not confident in themselves, they're not confident in their body because their movement skills or their motor skills are not good. That leads to more and more problems later on if they're not confident. So that's another aspect of what we're trying to do, is to help them feel confident, their own bodies to move how they see it, to move how they feel and to grow out of that. [00:10:39] Speaker A: So are you saying that sometimes kids don't have. Some kids don't have the motor skills to walk well, it has. Say properly, you know. [00:10:53] Speaker B: Yes, I believe it's a problem. I believe it's a problem that I think it was probably there before COVID What Covid has done, like a lot of these issues, has sped it up, has brought it to the surface, has made it more prevalent, I think, because schools don't focus on this quite like they used to. They used to make sure within their physical education that movement skills were important. They don't do that so much now. Government isn't paying attention to it. They're more interested in literacy and numeracy. They think that's. And don't get me wrong, I understand that focus. But if kids don't feel confident when they first start in movement skills and that, how are they ever going to feel confident in their literacy and numerary skills later on? This is an issue that needs to be addressed. This is the core problem. And if we get that sorted, I think we can sort a lot of the other problems that come with it. Anxiety, all of those sort of things. And that's why, you know, that's why we're out there doing what we do, because that's why it's important to listen and it's important to. With the sports we use, like Wystex hockey, we're not worried about what the game looks like. There are some rules, but we're not worried about what. We also let the kids make up their own rules because we want them to move in the way that they feel confident and participate in how they feel confident. And it's all about creating that positive environment. And from that, hopefully then they're confident enough to speak their mind and say what they feel. And in return, that builds the confidence even further. And other things benefit from that. [00:12:43] Speaker A: So how big an organization is Blue Sky? Jerome? [00:12:48] Speaker B: Well, at the moment, it's, it's. It's not as big as it's. It's building. Yeah, it's myself and there's a couple of others that have helped me along the way. I obviously am working with organizations like Step Into Action and Charlotte's Wish that are much bigger as. As not for profits. [00:13:05] Speaker A: And. [00:13:05] Speaker B: And it's obviously good to be able to work with them because they have a very important message which aligns with what we're doing. But as an organization, Blue sky is not huge. I envisage that it will, over time, it will get bigger. My vision is for eventually for us to be able to develop community centers which help with homeschool, which help with all of these in the communities around. And there will be a foundation attached to that. And that's certainly a vision going forward. But my soul. And at the moment, we're step by step. [00:13:49] Speaker A: The question which is I should have asked at the start, because everybody asked it, what made you, drove you to do or drive. Drove. Driven you to do this with Blue Sky? What was the. You Know most people, a lot of people who have a passion say because blah, blah, blah. What was your passion? [00:14:11] Speaker B: Well, I've coached sport for well over 30 years. I've been involved in one form or another. I started all the way back when I was 13. I coached my, my local junior cricket club. 13, 13 years of age. [00:14:30] Speaker A: You coached them? [00:14:31] Speaker B: Yes. Back then we didn't have social media. I think we had at the, just at the tail end of when I was at high school, I think we had MySpace. That was the closest thing we got. [00:14:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:43] Speaker B: So I didn't have to deal with that side of it at the time. But that's when I started and I've been at this for 30 years, involved as a head coach of hockey and that's taken me to all different parts of Australia and all different other places across the world. But through all of that I've had a passion because obviously I've got a background in physical education and school teaching. I've had a passion for working with young people, youth and then gradually over time that's evolved and a realization that we have a we as society. Certainly as I've got older, I've realized that we've, we've put a lot of pressure on young people. Unnecessary pressure, I think, and unnecessary expectations. And even with sport we've done this and you're seeing it. Young kids are being channeled into, if they're good, they're being channeled into these talent pathways at a very early age and they're not having any sort of childhood as a result of that. Particularly if you say in AFL you're getting channeled in very early age into these talent pathways and you're really not having a childhood result is that later on in life you start to see those problem, other problems occur and then also the kids that don't. I was seeing it more and more that the kids that didn't get recognized as this big star were being forgotten and they were being left. And 95% of those that participate in sport of an Australia are not elite. It's only 5% that are. And I thought, well we, we need to do something about this. So that's why I started Blue sky largely. I also started because when it was around Covid, I was trying to help coaches and clubs to deal with the post Covid world thinking that we were going to have a very different looking scenario in Covid. The worst of it finished, but it evolved out of that as well. And then of course I started to notice this problem with young kids with Movement skills and motor skills and realize, well, we need to do more in this area and we need to start addressing it. Government wasn't. So we as a public has to have to. So that's where it came from, really. [00:17:14] Speaker A: And do you get any support from the government or local. Local government councils, etc. [00:17:22] Speaker B: We try to work with local government as much as possible. I talk to state government, I do talk to them, I do speak to them about these issues. We don't get any direct support from them. And that's okay. We're not a. Where that's another debate. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:17:41] Speaker B: And that debate is, is that I don't think local government, I don't think all levels of government understand that when it comes to kids sport, when it comes to kids participation, I believe it should be free. I don't believe there should be any costs involved. But governments don't tend to sort of see it that way. Local governments don't tend to see it that way. Local government sort of has a bit of an issue. Where I see it with local government is that. And some local governments are really good. They embrace and they help you as much as they can. Others, it's much harder to do that whilst at the same time they're off saying they want to do more for the youth and their own people, yet they're putting barriers in place to stop organizations from actually doing anything. But they're not all like that. We do have a lot of, particularly in rural regional wa, we have a lot of great support. We go out, work very well with local government and community. And community groups. We find them very easy to work with them and which is great. State government, we raise issues with them, talk to them. I don't know if it always gets through, but at least we're. We're in there trying to. [00:19:03] Speaker A: So you can do it, isn't it? Yeah, you know, you know, you can, you can only. I mean, one man can make a difference. So I do believe that. But it's. It's a hard slog, you know, for, you know, we have a. When you came in, I said, I never heard of whiz kids or Blue Sky. And the amount of people who come through our radio station, community groups, local, local groups who are, you know, trying to get things up on the go, you know, you find that it's, it's a hard road to hoe for all, you know, all these sort of people. And I think one of the hardest things is that it's like everything, you know, when you talk about money in Whatever, you know, if. If whatever government's only got a dollar to spend or the pie is only so big, then you might get a slice of the pie, but it means some other organization might not. Not get their sight. So it's really, really difficult to. [00:20:08] Speaker B: It's difficult. It is. It is extremely difficult. I don't envy the task at hand of. Of that. Like I say, it. It's. Yeah, it. It's just. It's. It's a difficult thing for state and federal government. [00:20:27] Speaker A: They. [00:20:28] Speaker B: They have a lot of issues that they have to deal with. There are things that they could. I. I still believe that if. If they were to see particularly sport for young people, they will see it as a health issue or a health matter rather than a. Or a preventative. [00:20:51] Speaker A: That's the thing that. I think that's the key with a lot of the things that. [00:20:55] Speaker B: Yeah, then I think we would see that as being. Now we have universal healthcare. We have universal in a lot of other places. I don't see why we can't just have universal sport. Young people should have universal. Young people should have access to everything they want to do, and they shouldn't have to pay for it. It's as simple as that. [00:21:14] Speaker A: And I think that's a drawback, isn't it, with a. Having some grandkids of my own, speaking to their parents. The fees are astronomical. You know, like, you know, I know I'm digressing a little bit here, Jerome, but I. It absolutely stunned me that. I think it was my grandson. I think it was my grandson. He was playing. I think it was under 12. So I think. Don't quote me, but it was something like that. And the club ethos was you had to wear a club polo shirt and black trousers and shoes before the match. I'm thinking, are you Serious? They're under 12s. They should come up in their jeans. T shirt. We don't care what you roll up, mate. You want to play sport, you can play sport. And I just thought then, that is utterly ridiculous. [00:22:18] Speaker B: That's the other aspect of what we're about. No barriers. There shouldn't be barriers. Uniforms. There shouldn't be. The only people that wear uniforms at any program I run is myself. I'll wear it as I'm wearing today. I'll wear a polo shirt, but it's nice and colorful. Doesn't. [00:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:35] Speaker B: And it changes every time. It could be a different color every time. It doesn't stick to a specific design or color. And I'd be the only one that does It. We don't have preset uniform. If we need to create teams, we figure out a way. There's bibs, there's a whole range of different things you can use. It doesn't take much and you don't even need to purchase anything. It's quite easy to do if you know how. You just got to be creative. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:03] Speaker B: Got to be creative. But uniforms. It's crazy. [00:23:06] Speaker A: It is fees. [00:23:07] Speaker B: It's crazy. And that's another thing that. Through Charlotte's Wish and Step into Action and through these Charlotte's Wish Scholarships, that's another aspect of what we're trying to raise this money for is to. Is to create these scholarships to help young kids with all of that, to help families with all of that, because it's ridiculous. Ridiculous as to where it's gone. I understand that government gives out kids sport, but as you would understand, three children. Three kids. Or if families got even two kids and one kid, kids sport at 100, what, $150, if I think it is. Last time I checked here in wa, it's not much more in other states. Barely touches the sides. Barely touches the sides. So, you know, we want more kids playing sport, but we're then on the flip side of that, putting a lot of barriers in place to stop that. [00:24:01] Speaker A: That's. Yeah. And then you get. I know I'm sort of probably talking negative stuff here, which I shouldn't. But not only is there the financial aspect of it, you're getting a lot of, I dare say, other barriers, like, oh, well, of course, if XYZ gets injured, then we're going to have to sue this. We're going to have to sue that. And any insurance people say. Then accounts say, well, actually, you can't really play it there because whatever. There's something there that we think might really hard. [00:24:34] Speaker B: Taxes and those sort of things are an issue. They are, and they have to be overcome. [00:24:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:43] Speaker B: But I don't necessarily think they're entirely the reason why fees have gone up. I think that is a bit easy to. I think it's a little bit easy, particularly for national estate bodies to blame. Yeah, it's a little bit easy for them to use that as the. As the blame for. For this. There's other things, too. I think they're not necessarily utilizing their. Their funds. Right. In a way that should be. I think local government tends to use it as an easy way to blame insurance costs, et cetera. Again, I don't think they're necessarily using their money efficiently. I think if you Actually had a closer look, you'd probably discover that there's a lot of inefficiencies there that they could address. I know from a sport, for example, for years I was involved with hockey, there were levies for things that I don't ever think they were ever being used for development levies, turf levies. I've heard of situations where clubs have been using, have been asking their members to pay turf levies for redevelopment of their turfs, and that money's. When suddenly that turfs needed to go into redevelopment, that money wasn't there. It's been used for something else. So parents have been paying out under the belief that their fees were going to cover these sort of things, only to discover much later that that's not the case at all. So I think a lot of that is the reason why we have these barriers in place and we need to address that. And that's why I do what I do. That's why we do what we do. No barriers, low barriers. That's why we're trying to raise this money through Step Into Action and Charlotte's Wishes, because we're trying to actually be proactive and help families and young kids be able to play sport, but be able to engage in community and belong and feel confident in belonging and. And be able to access the things that they need in order to fill that confidence and feel that they belong. [00:27:15] Speaker A: So what are the. Excuse me, what are the. You said Charlotte's wishes. [00:27:22] Speaker B: Wish. Yes, Charlotte's Wish. Charlotte's Wish. The Charlotte's Wish foundation was established by Charlotte's parents. Charlotte o' Brien was a child that was bullied at school and she. Unfortunately, the unthinkable occurred and she committed suicide at 12 years of age. Her parents have been heavily involved in pushing for the social media ban for under 16s, and the Charlotte's Found Wish foundation has been heavily involved in doing that. Step Into Action, as an organization was formed by a good friend of mine, Chris Barton, in New South Wales. And he actually formed it largely off the back of experience with his own daughter, with anxiety and seeing a lot of this going on in the community with young people, and a realization that we need to do more and we need to be proactive, not reactive. So he formed Step Into Action. And the first thing he did to raise money was he walked from. I think it was Katuba in the Blue Mountains, all the way to Manly. And he does that. He walks every day. That's what he does. That's the thing he does to help himself, but also to raise money for youth mental health through the foundation. And the scholarships have come about in a collaboration between Step Into Action and Charlotte's Wish. And these scholarships go to assist. And I've just. I'm just reading off some information. These scholarships go to assist young people, whether it be with school fees, whether it be with therapy, whether it be families accessing counseling, whatever is needed to help them with all the issues that go on in life so that they can deal with these things. Because we all know the cost of living crisis that's out there and how tough it is. This is designed to help. It's not, it's designed to help. It's not perfect, but it's, it's, it's some help in helping them to, in helping in these areas. And that's why we're out there trying to raise money through what we're doing with the Whistix for Hockey, Wystics Hockey for well Being Charity Challenge in September, but also ongoing, leading into that, and then hopefully ongoing as well. And it's really, as I say, it comes back to that belonging, community and youth health and well being. And that's why, that's why we're doing it and that's why I've got involved in them, because I believe they're both amazing organizations in what they're doing and, and we need to do as much as we can. [00:30:21] Speaker A: So. Do you have fundraisers, Jerome? [00:30:24] Speaker B: We're, we're in the middle of. We're in the middle of fundraising right now. We've, we've started, we're promoting, we're preparing for the, the, the Charity Challenge in September. We are going to be doing a bit of a roadshow or a bit of a journey to there as well, starting in York and going through to boynup. But the big focus is on Boynup. In September, there will be a charity match, Team Legend versus Team Community. We'll have people from the community playing ordinary people, whether they be teachers. There'll be ses, volunteers, carers, you name it, councillors playing on Team Community. And then we'll have Team Legend, which will have. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to let too much out of the bag, but there will be a couple of big name, possibly a couple of name celebrities front up for Team Legend on the day and that'll be happening. But there'll also be, as part of that, a coming together of community. And there'll be dance groups, clubs, community sports organizations, different ones participating, running activation sessions. We'll be doing other little mini sports games, good old fashioned games that you'd see at a fate which we don't see much more these days in community. There'll be obviously there'll be food there but the big focus is on really on movement, belonging and joy and the coming together in September and that's in Boyna and the reason it's in Buoyant up is because obviously the Shire of Capel has been fantastic in allowing us to have access to the venue. And it's in the first, this is the first one, this is the first one will be in Boyne up and then we. We're looking to do this every year and travel and it will move from place to place and it'll be a big part of it. So that, that's the big focus. There'll be lots of fun activities and lots of opportunity for kids just to come and get involved. And there'll also be displays and there'll be welcome wall, mental health wall, all that sort of thing, information about that. There'll also be hopefully we're organizing it. Counsellors will be on. On available if, if families or kids need to speak to someone on the day or they feel they want to speak to someone they'll be able to go and make that initial contact and then hopefully it'll go from there. So it'll be. It's just a coming together of community in the old fashioned way like we always we did. And I think that's very important today. [00:33:08] Speaker A: I think it's morning. Yeah, I think it's more important today than it's probably ever been. It's a. And I know it's a completely different tack but you know it's. It's such an insular world these days. You know when I was saying to somebody when I grew up we had our house and the people over the back we got on really well with and we actually had a gate in between their place and our place. You know the old days, you know, you come across of your cup of sugar or whatever, whatever and you knew your neighbor, you knew their kids and it was a great community. And I think these days with both generally two parents working, blah blah blah blah blah blah, small house, we're really sort of insular and you might say g' day to your neighbor of course but that sense of community which you talk about, I just think it's so important. [00:34:11] Speaker B: Well that's what I want to try and get and this event is one of it. But I want to in everything I do and everything we do, that's what we want to try and get back to build that sense of community we're trying to encourage as part of this neighborhood street. Go out and play a game in the street. [00:34:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:31] Speaker B: Most of the sports we've been like wiz sticks. That's what it's designed for. You could basically go out into your street and have a game. You could go out in your driveway and have a game and the kids from over the road could come. [00:34:41] Speaker A: That's it. [00:34:42] Speaker B: There's. I think we need. As Australia. We actually need to get back to them. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Oh, undoubtedly. [00:34:49] Speaker B: We need to get back to that. [00:34:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:51] Speaker B: And I think it's important that we get back to that. [00:34:54] Speaker A: I do too. [00:34:56] Speaker B: I'm not talking about us when I say that. I'm not saying we go all the way. We wind ourselves back to when that was happening. No. But we need to have that as part of. [00:35:05] Speaker A: We do. [00:35:06] Speaker B: Part of where we are today. And that's about taking. Turning the pressure down and taking the pressure off. [00:35:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:13] Speaker B: Letting young people, letting kids and letting youth just letting them be themselves for a little while. [00:35:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:35:23] Speaker B: You know, letting them be who they are. Letting them have their childhood. Don't put so much pressure on them to be doctors. They'll get there if they want to. [00:35:32] Speaker A: If they want to. They will. [00:35:33] Speaker B: They'll get there. [00:35:34] Speaker A: I agree. [00:35:35] Speaker B: They'll get there. I wanted to be a teacher and I got there. I figured out how to get there. I became. But I became a coach as well. I figured out, I got there, I figured out how to do it. I was supported by my parents, I was supported by my grandparents. I was supported by my family. But I wasn't pressured by them. [00:35:56] Speaker A: That's the difference. [00:35:57] Speaker B: I didn't feel any need, any pressure from them. They would lift me up when things went wrong. They would help me through it. [00:36:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:07] Speaker B: And we need to get back to that. We need to get back to doing that. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Well, thanks for coming in and sharing the story. Now, a bit of a plug and also a website so that people know. And if you have a phone number, that helps, but if not, that's fine too. [00:36:24] Speaker B: Well, we've got. We've got a couple of things going. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Yep. [00:36:26] Speaker B: We've got the. If people want to raise money, the website is quite long and complicated. I would like to be able to list it off, but it's. It's not a perfect website, but the Witchsticks hockey charity for well being Charity challenge, we do have a website and I'll make sure that information's been provided. Yeah, We've also got a raffle going as well which people can enter. But if they want to find out more information they can check us out on Facebook. Blue Sky Sports Australia is there on Facebook. Yep, you can check that out. The raffle, as I say, will be available. I'll make sure that information comes through to you. If you want to find anything else, you can email me at very simply bluesky sports australia gmail.com blue side sports sports [email protected] yep. And of course Step into Action have their website as well, which is stepintoaction.com and you can find all that out. And, and there's, there's information across the web. As I say I'll make sure I send through all the information around the fundraising websites and et cetera. But it's, we've, I think we've raised so far our goal is to raise $20,000 and so far we've, we've raised just over $350. So we've got a long way to go. But every little bit helps. [00:37:56] Speaker A: That's it. [00:37:56] Speaker B: And the more that we raise, the more young people across West Australia and Australia we can help. [00:38:02] Speaker A: And that's the benefit, isn't it? Like, you know, I think one of the things I take away and I think it's quite right is that, you know, and it's a bit like, I know it's a completely different subject but we've had some people talk about homelessness here. Jerome. And the thing is I say you think now if you basically if you put a dollar in now you think oh, I don't want to spend that money much like what you are doing. But they said you realize that if it keeps going as it is, you're going to have to spend more $2. So why not? What you're saying is if you get in now and help then the long term thing with kids is you're going to save money because you're going to be saving lives. It's so I know saving lives. [00:38:51] Speaker B: The most important thing, the other thing I do want to say is that we are wanting to honor local community heroes out there. So if anyone knows of anyone, whether that be a dedicated volunteer, SES etc, just send us an email at the email address bluesky sports australia gmail.com and let us know about them. Because we on the day, particularly in September, we'd like to honor as many local community heroes as we can. Many people get honored in the world but we, there's a lot that don't. And we want to honor those that tend to sort of get overlooked, and [00:39:26] Speaker A: there's plenty of them. All right. Thanks very much for your time, Jerome, and best of luck with it, mate. [00:39:31] Speaker B: Thank you.