Nick meets Sheena and students from Safety Bay

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Good morning or welcome to Nick's Nuggets on this Wednesday, the. Come on now, what's the date? [00:00:07] Speaker B: 27, 27. [00:00:09] Speaker A: I love switching on people now. I've done well, people out there in radio land because I remembered names, which for me is difficult. We have Bella. [00:00:20] Speaker C: Hi. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Grace. Hi, Jade. [00:00:23] Speaker D: Hello. [00:00:24] Speaker A: And Sheena. [00:00:25] Speaker C: Hi. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Sheila's the easy one to remember. Bella's good because that's Italian, isn't it? [00:00:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:00:31] Speaker A: Isn't that Maltese, I think. [00:00:34] Speaker E: Or my last name is. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And Grace is a cool name too. [00:00:38] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:00:39] Speaker A: Yeah, and Jade's cool. Look, we're all cool except for me, you know, even Sheena. I'm thinking of Sheena Easton who sang the. Was it nine to five? No, that was Dolly Parton. She know recent. I'll catch the morning train from 9 to 5. So I can remember through that way. So enough of me prattling on. What are we here for, guys? [00:01:03] Speaker D: Here to, I guess talk about our Generation Connect program that we have been doing as part of our 20 hours of volunteering for our certificate to community service program at Safety Bay Senior High School. [00:01:19] Speaker A: And how do you. You run this, Jade? [00:01:22] Speaker B: Yes. [00:01:23] Speaker D: So I have these guys all day on a Friday and we do about 10 units and one of them is volunteering. So as part of the program, I was connected with Sheena Edwards from Switched [00:01:37] Speaker C: On Seniors and they were offered to us, these wonderful 10 students. And at that point we already had a number of university students helping us in our group. Mind you, we get about 50 people coming in the Friday group. So we do need quite a lot of helpers. But I figured that these people needed really hands on work. And so I came up with a new idea. My first thought was to say no, and then I realized I couldn't say no. And so I thought, what can we do instead? And Generation Connect came out of that. And the idea is that they will ask a grandparent or an older neighbour, somebody they know, if they would like tech help. [00:02:44] Speaker A: So have you done much help, Bella and Grace? [00:02:49] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, every Friday. [00:02:51] Speaker A: All right. Okay. And how do you find doing it? [00:02:56] Speaker B: I mean, I find it not so much difficult, but my neighbor's quite old, she can't see very properly and she doesn't own any technology. So I just bring my iPad in and I help her. Show her how to like make the icons larger so she can see them. [00:03:12] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:03:13] Speaker B: And I was just showing her safety and everything on there, kind of the emergency, how to get onto emergency contacts, how to look up stuff on Google and even going on the cameras, how to make a contact, phone numbers, just all of that type of stuff. [00:03:32] Speaker A: And yourself, Bella? [00:03:33] Speaker E: Yeah, I've pretty much just been doing what Grace is doing. But my pop's pretty. Pretty. He's all right with it. Like, he still needs help, but he does all right with it sometimes. [00:03:44] Speaker A: Who's that? [00:03:44] Speaker E: My pop. [00:03:45] Speaker A: How old is he? Can I ask him anyway? Oh, I don't know. Okay. [00:03:50] Speaker E: He's really old. [00:03:51] Speaker A: Anybody over 30 is old, aren't they? [00:03:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:55] Speaker B: I could have done this for my mum, to be honest, because she really doesn't know a lot about social media and all of that. And all the AI stuff coming out now. She'll send me stuff on Instagram saying, oh, I'd like this, but it's an AI jumper or it's an AI. [00:04:10] Speaker A: Isn't that. Isn't it absolutely scary? Like, I'm just saying, I. I go onto a website for music and there'll be a. A group of whatever, you know, a band, and they'll have the name and they'll release 12 albums in about two months, which is impossible. And if you look into it, it's just completely 100. An AI band. [00:04:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:42] Speaker B: There's even songs, like, coming out with AI and they turn out pretty good, too. [00:04:46] Speaker A: Of course they do, because. Sorry. Because they've got all the. They chuck all the stuff in the AI thing. [00:04:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:51] Speaker A: And they. They get music, like, from every era, from, say, the Beatles through to whoever you like, and they put in this great big mixer and they come out with the lyrics and the song. But what I think, certainly digressing a little bit, is that in. If you YouTube this group or what do they come up. They don't tell you it's AI. So you actually think they're real. And I think that's. If you said, oh, this group is not a group, then you think, okay, I know that I'll still listen. But they don't. So, anyway, so if you go there every Friday at the Autumn Center. [00:05:29] Speaker E: No, we just go. So I go to my pop's house and I help him at the house. [00:05:34] Speaker A: All right. [00:05:35] Speaker E: And, yeah, I don't know what Grace does, but we just. [00:05:39] Speaker B: I go over to her house every Friday. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Okay, what is the. The number one thing that more mature seniors, if you like, what is the number one thing that you find is [00:05:53] Speaker B: the problem every time, Like, I'll try and help. She's like. She can't really see properly, so it is pretty difficult. And she's got, I'm pretty sure, arthritis in her hand. So she can't really move the buttons and volume and stuff. So it can be tricky. But that's why I kind of do it manually for her, just to show her how to do it and see if she's interested in doing it herself after. [00:06:20] Speaker A: So is it a. Is it a difficult thing for seniors to learn, do you think? [00:06:28] Speaker B: I mean, I feel like it could be because it's like telling us kids or how to use a type, like a typo back from back in the day. It's like teaching us how to learn that it can be difficult. But I feel like if you're consistent with it, they'll start getting used to it. I feel it's also. [00:06:47] Speaker C: If you. [00:06:48] Speaker B: They want to learn. [00:06:49] Speaker E: Yeah, my pop, he gets very frustrated [00:06:51] Speaker B: with it and then he gives up. [00:06:54] Speaker A: That's the thing, you know, I think you. It's a bit. You don't know because you don't know. I know that's stupid, but it's really difficult to at times understand it, you know. And as a senior person myself, I find that one. If you go on a website, they're all different. Like you might have to tick this box on this one and the other one, you don't have to tick the box and the other thing you want to do is completely other side of the screen. So there's not a consistency of what you've got to do. [00:07:31] Speaker B: And there's so much on social media and iPads now that there's just so much to learn. I feel like my neighbor's very interested in how us kids do that. I feel like that's the main thing she's like interested in is like how we figure out stuff online or how we use stuff on the iPads, on the phones, on the computers. [00:07:49] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:49] Speaker B: She's got a little home phone at her house and she. She was even teaching me like how to use the home phone and everything because I've. I've got no idea because I wasn't really brought up with it because, I mean, I guess we're kind of brought straight, straight onto technology. [00:08:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So since when you're in the prem, isn't it really? [00:08:06] Speaker B: Well, I started getting like. I got my first iPad, I think, when I was 10, maybe 11. Like, so I wasn't really brought up with social media. I was more of like maybe an outside kid, I guess. Mom's raised us and so when I got my first iPad, mum had no idea how to work it, so I had to figure that out by myself. [00:08:27] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:08:28] Speaker B: But my older sister's Very good with that stuff. So she would, she would help me as well. So that's pretty good. [00:08:34] Speaker E: Well, I grew up on an iPad. I had an iPad from the time I was about a five. I was about five. But I was never really interested in it. Yeah, to say the least. Like I was more interested in playing outside with my pet rat. [00:08:48] Speaker A: Okay. And Sheena, what do you, you have a lot of people coming through. He said 50 at a time. What do you find is the number one problem? If somebody comes in and they're computer illiterate, shall we say? [00:09:03] Speaker C: Yes, certainly those are the people we help. And often they will come in and they'll say, I think I've left my run too late. [00:09:16] Speaker A: Oh, of course. [00:09:17] Speaker C: So we're the right people place for them to come. Because I will say to them, how old are you? And they'll say 83. And I'll say Mary over there is 86 and Ted is 89. I don't think you've left your run too late. And so that's one of the things about switched on seniors predominantly it's seniors teaching seniors. And so they could see that other older people have managed to do it and not only managed to do it, but enjoy doing it and love what they've learned and so it can really open up their lives. What we have seen is that instead of sort of hanging around waiting until you die, which a lot of people are doing, they start to re engage with life. They find their whole world where it's been closing in and closing in on them starts to open up again and then they can connect. Which is why I think having these young people connecting with the older people is just such a wonderful thing because as you've described, there's a two way process. You learn a bit about their world and they learn about your world and it really starts to connect the generations again. Whereas technology has tended to separate the generations quite a lot. And this is the exciting thing about Generation Connect that I see. I hope it won't stop once this little program has stopped that both sides, sides of the equation have grasped something that is exciting and will open up their world in a way they never dreamed of. [00:11:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a, it's quite interesting that you mentioned because as seniors we tend to a lot of time, I think living our own world and that can be okay, you know, but what the same token, the world is going and is continually changing. So they're not going to stop AI, they're not going to stop Google, they're not going to Stop flashing all these ads when you log on. They're not going to do that. So, you know, I find my, my brother in law sort of won't have anything to do with it, you know, even. But they have to because I do online banking. So I think the more you use it, the better it is. Do you find that? [00:12:05] Speaker C: I certainly find it. I use my iPad and phone all day, every day. My iPad almost always runs out by about five o' clock in the afternoon because I'm constantly using it. But I think the really important thing is that, that it has created a generation divide and I think anything that will change that has got to be something special. And I see this as something really special. I'm really excited about it. I think it will continue on and I'm hoping and does that generation connecting in a way that I think benefits both parties. So it's really special as far as I'm concerned. [00:12:58] Speaker A: Bella and Grace, do you find and people who are not literate with their iPads and etc. And you try to educate them. Do you find either yourselves or the people you're trying to teach get impatient? [00:13:21] Speaker E: I feel it goes both ways. Like. Yeah, so I'm trying to teach my pop how to do something and he'll get impatient and he'll snap at me and then I'll get impatient and snap back. [00:13:31] Speaker A: That's right. Yep. And, yep. [00:13:33] Speaker E: And then it just goes back and forth and then he just doesn't want to do it anymore. [00:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that, that's the. Isn't that the key that, you know, like there's a couple of hurdles and if you start to hit those hurdles, you go, oh, look, I don't need it anyway, you know, thanks, but no thanks. [00:13:50] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:13:51] Speaker A: So you find that as well, Sheena, that, you know, there's a bit of impatience there. [00:13:58] Speaker C: Yes, there is. And often the things that people are being asked to do are really beyond their level of competence. So for example, my husband just recently has had cataract operations and he needed to fill in hospital forms for that. He wasn't even being admitted to hospital. He was only going to be there for three hours or something. But the forms that he had to fill in were enormous, horrendous and you know, without real digital skills, not really possible. Now my motto is, you don't do it for them. You don't take it out of their hands. We're guides on the side. We don't do it otherwise they don't learn. However, with this form, in the end I took it out of his hands, and did it because it was a horrendous form. And that's what the governments and people out there need to understand. They need to make these sort of things not for the expert, but for the person who doesn't have terrific digital skills. If it's a necessary thing that people have to use, they need to make them easier and more intuitive. [00:15:30] Speaker A: I think the thing is. And I agree with you, I think maybe I don't agree with it at all, but I think the thing is that the people who need the assistance, like you were saying, the digital assistants, they know that those people are gonna slowly disappear. And people like Bella and Grace, they will be grown up with it. So their theory of trying to help old people. Well, why? Why? Because we won't have to do that in 10 or 15, 20 years anyway. [00:16:05] Speaker C: Okay, I'd like to answer that one [00:16:07] Speaker A: because [00:16:10] Speaker C: I believe that's a myth. And I believe that those who are approaching retirement think that we won't need it. Just have a look around and see how fast technology is evolving. And what we find is that even people who have had technology in their working life, three years out of retirement, they need us. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I'm not. [00:16:41] Speaker C: They need us. So once people retire and don't have a tech expert behind them, that's when they really start to get left behind very quickly. And I think that will continue for a long time. [00:17:00] Speaker A: I do. I agree. Yeah. Do you? You know, because, you know, even if you were, say. Because I live in a. I know a 55 complex, and so I sort of have an idea and I was amazed when I moved in and they put everybody's name and their phone number there was about. When I was originally moved in, there was about five people had mobile phones and they all had landlines. Wow. You know, I speak to my neighbor and. And that's not. It's not derogatory at all. I speak to my neighbor and they haven't got Internet at all. You know, and I would have thought it's almost. Almost a necessity these days. [00:17:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:45] Speaker E: I don't think I'd be able to live without my Internet. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like it's. Because these days, everywhere is every technology. Everything's social media. Yeah. Bank, banking, bills, trying to figure out, like, searching up stuff, even stuff at school. Everything's computers, iPads. It's like night plan used to be on paper. I did it on paper when I was in primary school, came to high school, it changed to technology. Yeah. [00:18:10] Speaker A: Oh, seriously? [00:18:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So I feel like you've Got to teach people. Like teach, I guess seniors. Because technology is everywhere. It's even like at shops now. Everyone has to do like pay for their stuff manually instead of like at the register. It's like a personal one now. Like at Kmart where you have to do it yourself. [00:18:33] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Self checkout. I feel like even that some people don't have knowledge of because they're so used to people doing it. Yeah, People doing it for them. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. Again, it's like the old saying, it's a double edged sword, you know, with something like checkout and I, you know, I refuse to use them. [00:18:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Not because I don't know how. I know how to use them. And I'm thinking, yeah, but there's four or five young kids who could earn some money. But no, you want to get greedy. So it's. I agree what you say, hey, people don't. Don't know how to use it. But people, people don't want them. Like myself don't want to use it as a. [00:19:13] Speaker B: It's like at Kmart now they've only got the self checkouts. At the new one in Rockingham, there's new. [00:19:18] Speaker A: There's one. There's always one right at the end, you know, but that's why they plan it. Oh, well, you just use these, you know, I won't, you know, but that's just, you know, you know, bucking against the system. You know, it's. Yeah, it's, it's very interesting because even something. And I'll ask you the question, Sheena. You know, people, the, the Bella and Grace have mentioned iPads, which is a. Whatever, or iPhones, which is another one which is obviously Apple. And people don't realize you don't have to go with Apple. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:00] Speaker A: But if you say something like Android, that may throw people. [00:20:05] Speaker C: Yes, you're absolutely right when you say. Because we do both in our Friday group and we'll say somebody will ruin me. And I'll say, do you have an Apple or an Android device? And they won't know what I'm talking about. So that, and again, that language is one of the issues. One of the problems that tech people use a language that other people don't understand. [00:20:37] Speaker A: Yep, yep. [00:20:39] Speaker C: So I feel some of our job is like a translator. [00:20:43] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that'd be true, wouldn't it? [00:20:45] Speaker C: We are trying to put things into a language and in a format that they can manage. So yes, we do both iPads and iPhones and Android phones and tablets. We don't do Computers, because for a number of reasons, yeah. But predominantly we are working with the 66% of over 75 year olds who are significantly digitally excluded. And they're the people who don't have any other tech knowledge. Often they've come from a family where their partner has been the tech person in the family and that partner has died or become very sick. And then at the stage of their life when they're dealing with grief and their whole life in turmoil, they have to try and manage technology. And that's a really, really big ask. And so that's where our seniors teaching seniors comes in. Because we are able to provide a really supportive environment for that and we understand and we have people in the group who understand because a lot of our teachers have come to the group as learners and now they teach other people. So all of us know what it is to not know. [00:22:19] Speaker A: That's it. [00:22:20] Speaker C: We all know what it is to not know. And so we understand how scary it is, we understand how long it takes. But the thing with mobile devices is they're just a bit easier than computers. They're portable, they can go with them wherever they need to be. Whether that's traveling around Australia or into hospital, their portable devices can go with them. And we have one of our members who has a lung condition and often ends up in hospital and she tells us that the first thing she packs is her devices and their charges and she eventually, if she's got them with her, she doesn't care, then she'll do her medication and her clothes. But as long as she's got her devices, because they make being in hospital bearable. And so that's why we do mobile devices. [00:23:23] Speaker A: Ah, yes. And really, you know, even it's just such a change of, of the way that we are like, you know, on the odd occasion I catch a train. You know, back in my day, people have the newspaper or a thing and I look around the carriage and if there's 10 people there, eight of them are either messaging or they've got their ear things in. So are you two aren't guilty of that, are you? [00:23:53] Speaker E: Yes. [00:23:55] Speaker B: Yep. [00:23:56] Speaker C: I would do it too. [00:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, that's it, isn't it? And it's again, I use the expression double edged sword. I think it's good that, you know, you can listen to whatever or you can message or whatever, but I think the art of actual face to face conversation like we're having now, well, we could have this over the Internet, you know, Grace and Bella and you could. But I think the face to face thing is very important. Do you find that, like, you guys are in the midst of this technology boom, how much importance you pay on your friendships face to face rather than over the Internet or whatever you like? [00:24:35] Speaker B: I mean, I feel like, really, these days, the only time really socializing with someone is either at school or if you're asking them to hang out. And other than that, you're really just on Snapchat or messaging on Instagram, like, that type of thing. And to message, to ask them to hang out. It's not like back in the day, we used to ring them on the home phone. You have to message them individually to see or just make a group chat. Yeah, make a group chat with a group of people. So I feel like the technology definitely socializing has. Isn't as popular as what it used to be, but I definitely feel like with having social media, you do find a lot. [00:25:16] Speaker D: You do. [00:25:17] Speaker B: You can, like, socialize over social media, I guess. So, like, messaging, like, conversations over there instead of having to call, like, that type of thing. [00:25:28] Speaker A: What about you thing? Bella, what do you think? [00:25:32] Speaker E: What was the question again? [00:25:33] Speaker A: That's all right. I like, you know, if we could have this conversation in a group chat. Right. And we can all thing. But I don't know you. I mean, I don't know you now, but I know I have some interaction with you. I see your faces. You know, you have your personality come through. That gets to me a degree lost in social media. [00:25:57] Speaker E: Well, I find it easier to communicate with friends and stuff over social media because I'm not face to face. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:03] Speaker E: But I do prefer face to face, if that makes sense. [00:26:08] Speaker A: It does. It's an interesting. It's an interesting topic again, when we're talking about learning, and I think it's great. But there is that other side of it, you know, you do lose something to get something. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like I'm very confident on social media, like, messaging people, but then as soon as they meet me in real life, like, I'm not gonna say I'm shy, but I'm definitely not as confident as what I kind of sound. [00:26:31] Speaker A: Because you can hide behind a mask. [00:26:32] Speaker B: Exactly. Like, you can. You can laugh with your friends over the phone, you can message what you want, but it's really like, you're gonna say that to my face type of thing. Like, am I gonna be like that in person? [00:26:42] Speaker A: Yes. So that's an interesting, interesting point. So how do people. How do people. Sheena, how do they get into your program? [00:26:55] Speaker C: Well, we've switched on seniors we are well advertised in the city of Rockingham. We've been here for almost 14 years. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Wow. [00:27:05] Speaker C: And we've worked closely with the council. We're now in three locations. In Shoalwater, Fridrick street, in Waikiki, in Nangarra Road, and at the Autumn Centre in McNicoll Street. If you don't know where we are, you can look up. If you're on the net at all, you can look up Switched On Seniors and we're on the web and that would give our locations and our times and all of that. However, if you're not, just drop into your local library. Any of the libraries in the city of Rockingham will give you information about Switched On Seniors or if you receive the seniors newsletter, we often appear in those. So we're quite well known in Rockingham and you wouldn't have a lot of trouble finding out where we are as far as being in the school. This is a first for us and I'm very excited about it and I hope it won't be the last. [00:28:14] Speaker A: I think it's a great idea because, you know, I think there's. There's an imaginary divide if you like, like just because we're seniors and these two young people. I didn't say young people. I said, yeah, these two young people. You know, there's nothing a huge. And I think you hit the nail on head, Grace. It's. It's the fact that you don't know a lot about what. How it was in the past, you know, writing letters and paying by check and all those sort of things. And it's, It's a good learning experience for you. And people like myself say, oh, I didn't know that you could do this, this or this. So it is. And you do connect with people. It's got nothing to do with agent, [00:29:05] Speaker B: I feel like, because I learned something. I'm not sure what it was called, but it's my neighbor showing me how they used to write and I can't really remember. No, not cursive. It was. I can't really remember, but it's like I couldn't under. Like you. I could not. No, not that. It's. I forgot. But it's just. I can't even read what she wrote. [00:29:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:29] Speaker B: And she was teaching me. So it's kind of like a 50. 50 of what they used to do back then. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:33] Speaker B: What we do now. [00:29:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:35] Speaker B: And she's not so much going to get technology device, but she's just really interested on how us young kids know how to do all of this. But I was gonna. I was also gonna say it's like, with new cars, like, if you get it, like a new car, there's technology in there. There's Apple carplay a lot of the time. Yeah. My mum. My mum didn't understand because she just got a brand new car and it's got a whole screen like, it's like a spaceship and she doesn't understand it, so she got us kids to teach her. [00:30:06] Speaker A: Yes. [00:30:06] Speaker C: Yes, she could. [00:30:08] Speaker A: It is a bizarre thing, I'm saying, like a grumpy old man here. But my. My daughter got a brand new car last week and it frustrates the hell out of it, I think. She's got two screens. [00:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Same mom's got all of the dashboard. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm thinking one of the things is if you take your eyes off the road. [00:30:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:29] Speaker A: It'll warn you, I think. Yeah. But I'm take my eyes off the road to. To listen to that. What a basic thing is to keep your eyes on the road. I don't. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Mom's car will tell us. I was driving at one time and it'll tell you, like, when someone in front of you is gone. So, like, if you're waiting there like a second and they've gone from a roundabout, it'll say, car's gone and start beeping at you. Or if you're not putting two hands on the wheel or beeping. [00:30:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:56] Speaker B: It's just crazy. [00:30:58] Speaker A: See, that's where I think, you know, technology can be an overkill, you know, because, you know, you don't need that stuff. [00:31:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:07] Speaker D: A lot of extra noise and distractions. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Yes. [00:31:11] Speaker C: You know, [00:31:14] Speaker A: but. So if there's a message you'd like to leave us with today, Bella, is a message you'd like to leave with us? [00:31:22] Speaker E: Well, if you need. What's the word? If you need technology help. Reach out. [00:31:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:30] Speaker A: Yep. Reach out to. [00:31:32] Speaker E: To Generation Connect or Switched On Seniors. [00:31:36] Speaker A: Yep. What about you, Grace? [00:31:38] Speaker B: Someone you know? [00:31:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:39] Speaker B: I feel like you won't have to. [00:31:42] Speaker C: Technically. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Technology is not like. Obviously it's a massive thing in life. So if you're not a fan of technology, I would definitely recommend getting help for the stuff outside. It's like at doctors, banking, even traveling these days. It's all online. [00:31:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:56] Speaker B: I feel like you could reach out to Switched on seniors and get a little bit of knowledge there without so much having to have a phone or an iPad. But Jane. [00:32:07] Speaker D: Yeah, I just say don't give up. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Oh, good one. [00:32:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:11] Speaker D: Just keep on going small steps and you'll get there. [00:32:14] Speaker A: That's it. I think that's a, you know, like no matter what we do in life, if you want to get really fit, you know, it's not going to take you two weeks, it's going to take about three months. And like you say, if you want to learn this stuff, you're not going to be out of there and all of a sudden be, you know, a whiz, you know, you've got to take those. Oh, that's very good point. What about yourself? Sh. Sheena. [00:32:38] Speaker C: There's so much benefit, particularly for older people, particularly in terms of keeping our brains smart, active. A really good deterrent for cognitive decline, dementia or whatever you want to call it. And it's like, like exercise for the brain. So it's actually good for you. But more than it's good for you, there's so much you will enjoy if you give it a go. I was never a game player, can I say, and now I have learned lots of games that I have lots of fun with. But also I know that they are keeping my brain active too. So they're like my brain going to the gym and help to keep me young. So give it a go. We are a safe environment. We will go at your pace. And can I say we don't do one offs. We are there 44 weeks of the year, just over Christmas, we have a [00:33:48] Speaker B: bit of a break. [00:33:49] Speaker C: We have been there for 14 years, so we will always be there when you need us. So if you come for a while and learn a bit and then think you know enough and then technology changes, we're always there for you to come back to and that's what we're finding at the moment. A lot of people who've learned and now they're having to catch up to where it's gone to and they come back after a time and so we're always there. Come and see us. [00:34:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like even with like updates on software with Apple phones, a lot of the time it changes and even I sometimes don't know. [00:34:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:31] Speaker B: What's happened? [00:34:31] Speaker A: What happened to this? [00:34:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like just going even for a session each time that happens. Definitely help more information. [00:34:39] Speaker A: Yep. Look, I agree and I think one of the things too, which I would think money sort of made before my shelf self in other people's shoes. There's nothing to worry about. Like I would think sometimes old people, it's the fear of going in there and a they're gonna sort of look at me and say, what you don't know how to switch your phone on. You know, like there's that fear of. I would think because we're all fearful of what we don't know. [00:35:09] Speaker C: Stupid. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Well, it's a natural thing, isn't it? You know, like if we talk to Grace and Bella about something in the old. The old school, and we'd look at him and say, well, you don't know that, you know. Well, you weren't brought up with it. And I think it goes the other way around. We don't know a lot because we weren't brought up with it. So I think that's great. So it's switched on seniors. You can go to the website or the library. Or the library. [00:35:36] Speaker C: The website is switched on seniors.net.au there's a phone number 045-816-34222 that will put you right through to me. I get a phone call most days and I'm happy to take your call. [00:35:55] Speaker A: That's lovely. That's really good too. And it's all volunteering. You're volunteering? [00:36:00] Speaker C: All volunteers, yeah. [00:36:01] Speaker A: So that's great. So. 045-816-3422. And you can contact she know through that. So thank you guys and thank you. Sounds a bit ageist, doesn't it? But thank you particularly to Bella and also Grace, because it's what we need as older people. We need you guys to help us. So what you're doing is great. So well done. And then thanks very much for coming in. No worries at all. Okay, we'll be back.